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“I used to work on computers which I brought in from school, and these were from the early 1980s. And, I realised from that that most of us weren’t good at computers, whereas our teachers were. We’d spent our time making games, making books, and they were always the first on. What they knew of computers was really, really good. I always noticed that my attitude was very much ‘make it fly’.
“All that energy I suppose has gone into I haven’t really used in the last 10 years. I’m not training my son up to become a programmer because they’re not that interesting to learn. Even though my youngest son is now really into politics. He’s 26, he was the youngest person ever to become a councillor in a council he represents, he’s in the middle of a PhD in American politics and I think I’ve shown, better than anybody else that you can have an active interest in politics while you’re still young. It’s quite possible to stay young and active in politics.
“All in all it’s been a very good life. I’ve met some wonderful people through this. The world is going to be very different in 50 years time and not in the good way. I suspect you’ll probably read articles in which I apologise that I wasn’t here for the transformation of society, and part of it is I’m not sure I was ever there.
“All I know for sure is that I don’t want to be running it.”